DCF: Who Are You?
Camille Stewart and Gabriella Ziccarelli are attorneys and the co-hosts of Hustle Over Entitlement. Hustle Over Entitlement is a podcast that tells stories of trailblazers and risk takers. We seek to inspire our listeners to pursue their dream careers, take the leap, and own their futures. You can find out more about the podcast at www.HustleOverEnitlement.com, follow us on social media @iHustleForIt, and subscribe!
You can find out more about Camille at www.CamilleStewart.com and Gabriella at www.IPwithGZ.com.
DCF: Why do you love what you do? What makes you funemployment?
CS: I love Hustle Over Entitlement because we get to tell stories that inspire and empower. My career path has been nothing short of nontraditional and it couldn’t be more rewarding or amazing! BUT that doesn’t mean it was easy. Finding your own way can be scary, confusing, and uncomfortable (DCF: Soooo uncomfortable but so worth it!). It’s stories like these and trailblazers like these that keep me pushing to do what I’m passionate about and make room for others to do the same. I get to work on the subject I’m passionate about by day and, hopefully, inspire/empower others in my “spare time.” There is nothing better!
GZ: How lucky am I? With my both my 9-5 job and my side hustles, I get to work with innovators, entrepreneurs, and intellectual pioneers. The energy these individuals bring to their work is infectious and inspires me to be the best version of myself. In my role I get to be both a support system and a catalyst for the change and innovation they are trying to push forward. In particular with the Hustle Over Entitlement podcast, I get a chance to amplify the voices of these outstanding individuals in a way that, hopefully, inspires a generation of future trailblazers.
DCF: Who was your first mentor and how did you find them?
CS: One of my honors program professors in college, Ms. LaGesse. I’d had people invested in my success before but she really invested in all areas of my life. She took me under her wing from the day I arrived on campus and to this day is part of my family. She helped me navigate college academically, supported my social and extracurricular endeavors, and continues to be a sounding board. She is a fearless trailblazer that inspires me to be my authentic self unapologetically.
GZ: My highschool freshman year english teacher, Ms. Pattison. She started every class with a life lesson, during what were arguably our most impressionable years when we needed that advice the most. I’ll never forget her advice to “never compromise yourself for anyone.” The advice applied across work, love, and friendships. It also required you to know who you are first so you know what it is that you won’t compromise on. I am forever grateful for her guidance. Knowing yourself is highly undervalued. (DCF: YASSS I believe knowing yourself is a muscle we all should exercise more.)
DCF: What’s your happy place?
CS: I LOVE to travel and take every opportunity to do so. I also love to spend time with my family and friends. That said, there is nothing better than escaping the everyday to explore a new place with the people closest to me.
GZ: Being in motion traveling, anywhere. Climbing cliffs near the beach, strolling down a small cobblestone path in a new city, watching the sun setting from a new vantage point.
DCF: Where do you get your energy?
CS: God. I honestly have no other explanation for how I find the time and energy to keep up with everything I seem to put on my plate… Oh and lots of coffee. (DCF: I know I do not do all of this alone).
GZ: Music and dancing is my fuel. That and Italian espresso, of course.
DCF: What does balance mean to you and how do find it?
CS: Balance looks different every day, every week but it comes down to making time for yourself, the people you care about, and your passions. The hardest lesson I’ve had to learn is taking care of me so that I have something to give to others.
GZ: Balance means giving attention to the different sides of you – the professional, the friend, the sister, the artist, the athlete, the cook – we are not one dimensional. Make time for yourself by learning when to say no. (DCF: Self care is the greatest gift you can give yourself. I saw a scale on “how high maintenance are you” and I wanted to change the title to how much self love do you practice #BreakTheStigma).
DCF: What sacrifices did you have to make to get here?
CS/GZ: This podcast is a rewarding labor of love. We do all the work from prep, to recording, to production, to promo, to legal, etc. That takes a lot of time and some money. But we’re happy and honored to do it as long as it continues to inspire listeners.
DCF: What struggles have you faced as a women in your industry?
CS: As a woman of color in tech, I often find myself being the only person that looks like me in the room. This is a problem. I often walk into a room and am treated as the assistant or worse like a child. I let my intellect and skills speak for themselves but it’s a burdensome and limiting perception. I hope that by being in the room and killing it I am opening the aperture of what tech looks like for the people I encounter. (DCF: It is exhausting but you are right, you are laying the path for the next one of us who comes through the door). There is still has a lot of work to be done. My being in the room is not enough. I seek to make room for other women and people of color in tech (and the other industries I’m in). This is actually how Gabby and I met and became friends. Our friendship and passion for making tech a more inclusive space has bred a number of initiatives to open doors for other including this podcast!
GZ: The tech industry is not representative of the customers it serves yet, but it’s slowly getting there. Camille and I met on our journey to building a balanced tech industry, and our work has just begun. Although a major barrier to entering the industry is hiring diverse talent, we have a greater issue we are just now wrapping our heads around in figuring out how to build inclusive environments for women in tech and make them feel like they belong, and how to value their contributions and promote them. My sincere hope is that by the time I retire, I will have helped build a tech industry whereby all individuals are assessed by their skill, passion, and contribution – regardless of their gender or the color of their skin.
DCF: What is the early advice you didn’t listen to that you wish you had?
CS: Love yourself! Everything good starts and ends there.
GZ: Don’t be in such a rush to grow up. You have your whole life for that.
DCF: What was your greatest failure and what did you learn from it?
CS//GZ: So we don’t love the word failure because every misstep is an opportunity but we would say our biggest lesson learned has been around the tech of podcasting. We are learning how to get the sound right, balancing equipment needs with budget, and learning to produce the episode. Every session we get better and we can’t wait to see how we continue to evolve. (DCF: I ask this cause I want to reframe failure, without missteps we often wouldn’t get to success so I want people to realize that failure is a necessary step for us all to learn and grow.)
DCF: What was your proudest moment to date?
CS/GZ: We are proudest of Hustle Over Entitlement when it genuinely inspires someone. One listener reached out to let us know that one of our interviews had come at the right moment. She was wrestling with many of the issues the interviewee has wrestled with and it motivated her to keep pushing. The message came out of the blue and was so heartfelt. There is nothing better than knowing that stories that empower us have empowered or motivated someone else.
DCF: What are you Currently Conquering?!?
CS: Figuring out how to top Season 1 and meeting all of the demands for our Hustle Over Entitlement gear! And there is nothing I’d rather work on. The outpouring of love is amazing so we want to continue to highlight trailblazers from different industries who pivoted in new and unique ways. If you haven’t heard the podcast yet, catch up and get your Hustle Over Entitlement shirt!!
GZ: We’re already preparing for season 2 of Hustle Over Entitlement! The outpouring of love from our listeners has been humbling, and we can’t wait to deliver you more inspiration and motivation in 2018. We are still accepting nominations for guests who have made incredible career pivots or beat the odds to forge their own path. Don’t hesitate to email us at hustleoverentitlement [at] gmail [dot] com and follow us on social media at @ihustleforit.
DCF: Let’s Get Social (Media)!!
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